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>> i actually think we are going to get a resolution to the fiscal cliff. i think it is going to come after we go over. >> we could maybe see the beginnings of the contour of an eventual agreement. i don't see how it comes before december 31. >> it doesn't sound like the sides are closer. >> it is not a plan to say we are going to magically reduce our increased revenue through loop hole closures and deduction caps. we don't know who pays or what we are talking about in terms of actual legislation to increase revenue. >> and the market is responding. maybe it is best to forget it and focus on stock picking. >> two-week low this morning and then huge 2.36 million block share trades come in. >> "fast money" right now. >>> live from the nasdaq market site in new york city's times square i'm melissa lee. first china conundrum. is the chinese recovery in recovery mode? a top strategist is digging through the data. hedgefund head winds are supposed to be some of the smartest on the street but 2012 has not been kind. find out if december will bring rebound or redem
>> i actually think we are going to get a resolution to the fiscal cliff. i think it is going to come after we go over. >> we could maybe see the beginnings of the contour of an eventual agreement. i don't see how it comes before december 31. >> it doesn't sound like the sides are closer. >> it is not a plan to say we are going to magically reduce our increased revenue through loop hole closures and deduction caps. we don't know who pays or what we are talking about in...
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>> it all depends on what happens with the fiscal cliff. right now, there's boehner yelled out by his own party, the conservative part of the wing, and also the left. he's in a really, really tight spot and an ultimate binary trade. if something good happens, we'll rocket higher. if something bad happens, expect the worst right now. that's the thing right now. it's a yes or no trade. liz: congressional know it all at fox news calls it rrpublican on republican violence. hard to get a deal in the own party, special interests, the markets, whatever happens, we want to make money. where did you see the flows today? >> -- >> just a sec. we picked through the numbers, the stock is falling, of course, i'm sure making the shorts happy. clearly, looking at the stock, again, it had been up for the past two and a half weeks, but it's gotten hammered since the six month high reached six months ago. larry, quickly, though, where were the flows today that you saw? >> not many at all. i think people are talking about putting money into financials and mate
>> it all depends on what happens with the fiscal cliff. right now, there's boehner yelled out by his own party, the conservative part of the wing, and also the left. he's in a really, really tight spot and an ultimate binary trade. if something good happens, we'll rocket higher. if something bad happens, expect the worst right now. that's the thing right now. it's a yes or no trade. liz: congressional know it all at fox news calls it rrpublican on republican violence. hard to get a deal...
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the idea we're at a fiscal cliff where the economy stops on january 1st is completely misleading. it's a squeeze. everyone will feel it, but then you're in a position where everyone can vote to cut taxes. that might be more politically feasible. >> i like that perspective. you help us take out some of the fear mongering we see, a lot of the media is perpetuating. that's why we're doing the fiscal follies and the wheel of fortune. fiscal fiesta. the media is doing all this fear mongering and you get a lot out of washington. this is a self-created drama, of course. these cliff negotiations. but the markets are remaining relatively calm and steady. why are investors being so cool and above the fray when everybody else is running around with their heads cut off? >> everybody thinks what you see on tv with the duelling positions and we refuse to negotiate, the market sees it for what it is, which is theater. everyone is staking out the position trying to suck up to the base. there will be behind the scenes caving at some point, and if there isn't, if everyone just says absolutely not,
the idea we're at a fiscal cliff where the economy stops on january 1st is completely misleading. it's a squeeze. everyone will feel it, but then you're in a position where everyone can vote to cut taxes. that might be more politically feasible. >> i like that perspective. you help us take out some of the fear mongering we see, a lot of the media is perpetuating. that's why we're doing the fiscal follies and the wheel of fortune. fiscal fiesta. the media is doing all this fear mongering...
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in a new interview president obama says a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff is still possible but not without higher taxes for the wealthy. the president sat down with bloomberg for his first tv interview since the election and the fiscal cliff face off. he reiterated that lying in the sand is higher taxes for the wealthy. he gave republicans some room to maneuver. >> the issue right now that's relevant is the acknowledgment that if we're going to raise revenues that are sufficient to balance with the very tough cuts that we've already made and the further reforms and entitlemented ientitlements i'm prepared to make, we have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. we're not getting a deal without it. understand the reason for that. it's not me being stubborn or partisan, it's a matter of math. >> and the gop plan, which was unveiled yesterday, includes $800 bill onin new taxes made through closing loopholes and deductions and not raising rates. compare that to the president's plan and that's about half of what the white house asked for. republicans propose 600 billion in entitle
in a new interview president obama says a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff is still possible but not without higher taxes for the wealthy. the president sat down with bloomberg for his first tv interview since the election and the fiscal cliff face off. he reiterated that lying in the sand is higher taxes for the wealthy. he gave republicans some room to maneuver. >> the issue right now that's relevant is the acknowledgment that if we're going to raise revenues that are sufficient...
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to blame republicans and just 27% the president if they don't agree on a fiscal cliff. we know that after the election, 60% of people said let's raise taxes on the wealthiest. what more does john boehner need? >> i don't understand the republicans' thinking on this. i really don't. this is power politics. they don't have the leverage in this situation. if they don't cut a deal within the next 30 days, you're going to see tax rates rise on all americans. you're going to see huge cuts in the defense budget. we're probably going to have a double dip recession, and until the congress then gets its act together to fix it and lower rates on the middle class, you will have the republicans essentially responsible for raising tax rates on the middle class. i can't imagine, again, bill krystal said this yesterday. i can't imagine why the republicans would want to be known as raising tacks xes on t middle class. >> thank you both. next, the president reacts to speaker boehner. stay with us. this is sheldon, whose long dy setting up the news starts with arthritis pain and a choice.
to blame republicans and just 27% the president if they don't agree on a fiscal cliff. we know that after the election, 60% of people said let's raise taxes on the wealthiest. what more does john boehner need? >> i don't understand the republicans' thinking on this. i really don't. this is power politics. they don't have the leverage in this situation. if they don't cut a deal within the next 30 days, you're going to see tax rates rise on all americans. you're going to see huge cuts in...
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do not cooperate with the fiscal cliff idea. rebel and say just extend everything and come back later when the economy is at full employment. >> how do you rebel against the fiscal cliff idea? paul, if you listen to boehner and his plan, he sort of says it's erskine bowles plan. is it possible to rebel against an idea marching along? we're on day 29, heading into day 28. >> i get excited when i hear david say things so far outside the box. but this is washington. i guess it's not air box, it's a beltway here. and we are in this debt mania. there is a long term crisis on debt. i think david would agree with that. if you actually go back and read what my old boss and his partner wrote almost two years ago now, they said these things, these cuts in tax increases should be back loaded so we don't damage the economy. in the president's proposal, he does have a small infrastructure bank program to try to jump-start some growth, so i think it's a good idea. raising tax rates on the rich. i saw your interview with senator coburn. he is
do not cooperate with the fiscal cliff idea. rebel and say just extend everything and come back later when the economy is at full employment. >> how do you rebel against the fiscal cliff idea? paul, if you listen to boehner and his plan, he sort of says it's erskine bowles plan. is it possible to rebel against an idea marching along? we're on day 29, heading into day 28. >> i get excited when i hear david say things so far outside the box. but this is washington. i guess it's not...
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we'll go off the fiscal cliff, down the fiscal slope. yes i think it will happen because it is the one way republicans can, without violating the pledge, and offending the grand inquisitor grover norquist, it's the one way they can let this happen. >> and, in fact, you know, what could happen, you can imagine a scenario where you go off the cliff on taxes, rates go up for everybody, you then vote to restore the rates for the vast majority of taxpayers, 98%, and further it is even conceivable you negotiate down the top rates in the level under bill clinton a little bit by putting in the pot offsetting deductions for credits which would allow republicans to claim some sort of victory as well. that could be a scenario where you have a consensus on the tax run. >> let's run all of this by representative xavier becerra of california. he's joining us now. nice to see you, sir 367 appreciate your time. what is really the white house dismiss kind of out of hand i mean i don't have the exact number of minutes that they had this republican proposa
we'll go off the fiscal cliff, down the fiscal slope. yes i think it will happen because it is the one way republicans can, without violating the pledge, and offending the grand inquisitor grover norquist, it's the one way they can let this happen. >> and, in fact, you know, what could happen, you can imagine a scenario where you go off the cliff on taxes, rates go up for everybody, you then vote to restore the rates for the vast majority of taxpayers, 98%, and further it is even...
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it's not a fiscal cliff. it's like a small slope. >> the statistics say that corporate america has got a little bit to give. sam stein, good to have you with us. >>> there's a lot coming up in the next half hour. >> guns have nothing to do with the culture we live in. >> the radical right drowns out the scent over handgun violence and they are coming after bob costas. >> bob costas, based on our standards, deserves to be fired for these remarks. >> dan gross, president of the brady campaign and bill rhoden of "the new york times" respond. >>> a tribute video to hillary clinton has everyone talking about a presidential run. >> people not just like her. >> michael tomasky joins me on that later. >>> and republican runner up rick santorum has a new gig at the weekly world news. not quite, but it's close. detail its ahead. ♪ i'd like to thank eating right, whole grain, multigrain cheerios! mom, are those my jeans? [ female announcer ] people who choose more whole grain tend to weigh less than those who don't. m
it's not a fiscal cliff. it's like a small slope. >> the statistics say that corporate america has got a little bit to give. sam stein, good to have you with us. >>> there's a lot coming up in the next half hour. >> guns have nothing to do with the culture we live in. >> the radical right drowns out the scent over handgun violence and they are coming after bob costas. >> bob costas, based on our standards, deserves to be fired for these remarks. >> dan...
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to be at an icy impasse over the so-called fiscal cliff. this is hours after the white house rejected the counteroffer. >> while their proposal may be serious, it's also a nonstarter. they know any agreement that raise tax on the middle class in order to protect more unnecessary giveaways, the top 2% s. doomed from the start. it won't pass. democrats won't agree to it. president obama wouldn't sign such a bill and the american people won't support it. >> you don't get people together until they finally sit down at the table and negotiate. it's still too much posturing, still too much the president wants his way, somebody else wants it that way. >> the gop's opening bid includes $2.2 trillion in tax reform, entitlement reform. but here's the problem, it includes no tax hike for the top 2% that republicans must have and something that the president repeated on the campaign trail. >> the obstacle here continues to be republicans who hold out hope that we can somehow go through this process and still deliver tax cuts to millionaire and billiona
to be at an icy impasse over the so-called fiscal cliff. this is hours after the white house rejected the counteroffer. >> while their proposal may be serious, it's also a nonstarter. they know any agreement that raise tax on the middle class in order to protect more unnecessary giveaways, the top 2% s. doomed from the start. it won't pass. democrats won't agree to it. president obama wouldn't sign such a bill and the american people won't support it. >> you don't get people...
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what we have to do in the short term is avoid the fiscal cliff. the major decisions with regard to tax reform, social insurance programs, et cetera, can't and shouldn't be made until next year, after the american people are engaged and the committees do their work. >> david gergen, how do you get the political solution that opens the door to the policy conversations? >> well, i was encouraged that the republicans actually came forward with something today. a lot of people thought they would not. the president as you know, his team rejected it late this afternoon, but nonetheless, if people truly want to find a bridge to avoid the fiscal cliff, a way to get to the big issues as david walker says would have to come next year, i think they're the makings of it here. each side will have to compromise some more. each side will have to eat a little crow but i think it's imperative that the president take the view that what he's looking for is a win-win. if they take a win-win approach, i think they can get a deal. >> comment on that point. if two wrongs
what we have to do in the short term is avoid the fiscal cliff. the major decisions with regard to tax reform, social insurance programs, et cetera, can't and shouldn't be made until next year, after the american people are engaged and the committees do their work. >> david gergen, how do you get the political solution that opens the door to the policy conversations? >> well, i was encouraged that the republicans actually came forward with something today. a lot of people thought...
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we have to get past this fiscal cliff and move on. connell: we probably would be talking a lot more about china and the transition of power and how president obama is supposed to do without. when you say there are economy is not doing that great, does that mean it is in jeopardy of a tough all, or it will hang in there? >> i think it will hang in there. china, i think, will grow. reasonably, i have seen some analysts come out and be pretty bullish. their economy, the outlook is willing not that bright. although, they probably will not fall hard. china is sort of setting their status quo. i think the u.s., again, back to the u.s., they have to get their act together. connell: a few days after the end of the year. that is just silly, if you think about it. if we all know the answers, why do we have to wait until the new year. thank you very much. good to see you. dagen: as the nation waits on washington, what is really going on behind the scenes? brett fair on the timeline for a deal in d.c. the mississippi river will always have its ow
we have to get past this fiscal cliff and move on. connell: we probably would be talking a lot more about china and the transition of power and how president obama is supposed to do without. when you say there are economy is not doing that great, does that mean it is in jeopardy of a tough all, or it will hang in there? >> i think it will hang in there. china, i think, will grow. reasonably, i have seen some analysts come out and be pretty bullish. their economy, the outlook is willing...
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that fiscal cliff, you know, that is real. we have some real financial issues that we need some real solutions for. >> all right. so presumably the president can reach his supporters online but can they reach congress? how do you take that and turn that into something that maybe has influence with the other side in. >> well, the thing about that is that the president is able to get messages to people who are versed in technology and participating in technology. the people participatory in technology know how easy it is to reach the people in congress. he's talking to exactly the right people, the people who know how to use twitter and facebook and e-mail. >> is there more to be done with this? is there opportunity for the president with those numbers in the millions almost limitless? >> it's almost limitless if he can will the vote his way. what will happen, you're going to see a lot more like this. he's going to do this with every issue now. >> you're limiting yourself in terms of who is social media savvy or not so much anym
that fiscal cliff, you know, that is real. we have some real financial issues that we need some real solutions for. >> all right. so presumably the president can reach his supporters online but can they reach congress? how do you take that and turn that into something that maybe has influence with the other side in. >> well, the thing about that is that the president is able to get messages to people who are versed in technology and participating in technology. the people...
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the fiscal cliff. guess what, the white house rejected it, calling the gop proposal unbalanced and not serious. translation? no tax hikes on the wealthy so democrats said forget about it. we thought you should take a look. it totals $2.2 trillion in deficit reduction over ten years. the part that stood out to us was $600 billion in proposed savings in medicare reforms. how? in part by raising the age of eligibility to 65 to maybe 67. turning down the gop proposal, dan pfieffer said, quote, it provides no details on which deductions they would eliminate, which loopholes they will close or which medicare savings they would achieve." let's head now to the white house and dan lothian. the white house will not offer a counter proposal, right? what's going on here? >> reporter: well, you know, i think the white house is digging in. the president said early on in this process that he would only sit down and really move forward, negotiate on this in any meaningful way if the tax hikes for the wealthy expired.
the fiscal cliff. guess what, the white house rejected it, calling the gop proposal unbalanced and not serious. translation? no tax hikes on the wealthy so democrats said forget about it. we thought you should take a look. it totals $2.2 trillion in deficit reduction over ten years. the part that stood out to us was $600 billion in proposed savings in medicare reforms. how? in part by raising the age of eligibility to 65 to maybe 67. turning down the gop proposal, dan pfieffer said, quote, it...
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fiscal cliff, amazement and dismay. i've heard it again and again. >> toes are the two words i focused on, amazement and dismay, and my question comes is he making any changes for fedex? >> companies need clarity. and even in the third quarter gdp report you can see that companies holding back on computer purchases, on equipment purchases, because they don't know what's going to happen next year. if there's going to be a recession or not. can i tell you, not to know whether you're going to have a recession is such an uncertainty for your families. christmas spending. how do you do holiday spending if you don't know what kind of tax refund you're going to get? congress is in a sticky spot here. the mood was pretty grim in washington yesterday when i was there for that interview. a lot of folks were saying they're not making plans for the holidays. washington insiders. because they think that they're going to be doing this down to the very last minute. >> i know you were dismayed saying that typically behind the scenes, a
fiscal cliff, amazement and dismay. i've heard it again and again. >> toes are the two words i focused on, amazement and dismay, and my question comes is he making any changes for fedex? >> companies need clarity. and even in the third quarter gdp report you can see that companies holding back on computer purchases, on equipment purchases, because they don't know what's going to happen next year. if there's going to be a recession or not. can i tell you, not to know whether you're...
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yet another big corporations rushing to avoid a huge tax bill on t fiscal cliff. oracle said it uld pay tree of next year's dividends this year. taxes on dvidends are s to go from 15% to as much as 43% next year unless congress changes the law. the big winner tonight oracle ceo as the company's largest shareholder you will get nearly $200 million i today's deal and will avid about 60 million in taxes. he did not vote for today's exhilarated payout. he sure does profit from it. a lot more still to come, including a small business owner who says she feels helpless aft superstores a the and the government is doing nothing toelp her. the proof is in the pudding. albert done a new report showing a tax hikes on the bridge backfired in britain. we will politicians here techno? stay with us. [ male announcer ] if you're eligible for medicare, now is a good time to think about your options. are you looking for a plan that really meets your needs and your budget? as you probably know, medicare only covers about 80% ofour part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. so co
yet another big corporations rushing to avoid a huge tax bill on t fiscal cliff. oracle said it uld pay tree of next year's dividends this year. taxes on dvidends are s to go from 15% to as much as 43% next year unless congress changes the law. the big winner tonight oracle ceo as the company's largest shareholder you will get nearly $200 million i today's deal and will avid about 60 million in taxes. he did not vote for today's exhilarated payout. he sure does profit from it. a lot more still...
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that's really what the crux of this fiscal cliff negotiation -- what these fiscal cliff negotiations are all about. they're about fairness. when the president and congressional democrats talk about the need for balanced approach, to deficit reduction and dealing with the fiscal cliff, we're talking about fairness. we're talking about making sure that if you work hard and play by the rules everyone has a chance to succeed. that the middle class needs certainly tight right now. speaker pelosi and my colleague congressman tim walls, filed a discharge petition today to take the bill that we have, that has already passed the senate, that grants certainty to the middle class, to take that bill up and make sure that we can extend the middle class tax breaks before the holidays where we can give -- that's what everyone agrees on. i don't know any republican or democrat that thinks we should let those tax rates -- tax cuts for the middle class expire. so we should pass that now. and then on the things that we're having more trouble agreeing on, we should sit down at the table. the one thing i
that's really what the crux of this fiscal cliff negotiation -- what these fiscal cliff negotiations are all about. they're about fairness. when the president and congressional democrats talk about the need for balanced approach, to deficit reduction and dealing with the fiscal cliff, we're talking about fairness. we're talking about making sure that if you work hard and play by the rules everyone has a chance to succeed. that the middle class needs certainly tight right now. speaker pelosi and...
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we do not want to go off the fiscal cliff. martha: the white house is saying, obviously, they will not do any deal that does not include what was one of their number one campaign motivations and slogans, and that was that taxes must go up. the tax rate must go up on the rich. so what are you going to do with that? >> look, the president said he wanted revenues, we provided revenues -- martha: he's saying tax rates must go up, and are you saying there is no way still that that will happen, not even the slightest bit? >> new taxes are coming out with obamacare. we're continuing to tax individuals. we're harming our growth. can we get the revenue the president asks? yes, we can, with protecting the growth in the economy x. that's what we provided to the president. the president continues to change the goalpost along this process. we think what has to happen here now that if we agreed to revenue, let's talk about the balanced approach and the two and a half times the spending cuts. the president won't talk about that. in geithner'
we do not want to go off the fiscal cliff. martha: the white house is saying, obviously, they will not do any deal that does not include what was one of their number one campaign motivations and slogans, and that was that taxes must go up. the tax rate must go up on the rich. so what are you going to do with that? >> look, the president said he wanted revenues, we provided revenues -- martha: he's saying tax rates must go up, and are you saying there is no way still that that will happen,...
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." >>> the fiscal cliff negotiations continue to play out like greek theater. entering from stage right, speaker john boehner issued a counter offer yesterday. from stage left a chorus of democrats who are shocked and outraged. the white house told boehner to, quote, get serious. nancy pelosi called it another assault on the middle class, seniors and our future. and senate na jorty leader harry reid took to the floor this morning. >> republicans again sided with the wealthy of this country. it won't pass. >> the gop proposal calls for $600 billion in entitlement reform, including raising the medicare age. it brings $200 billion from social security, adjusting the inflation rate and raises $800 billion in new tax revenue by reforming the tax cut and closing loopholes. the plan rejects specifically raising tax rates, but it is significant that john boehner has gotten his entire leadership team, including congressman eric cantor, kevin mccarthy and even former vice presidential nominee and budget hawk paul ryan to publicly sign their names to a plan that through c
." >>> the fiscal cliff negotiations continue to play out like greek theater. entering from stage right, speaker john boehner issued a counter offer yesterday. from stage left a chorus of democrats who are shocked and outraged. the white house told boehner to, quote, get serious. nancy pelosi called it another assault on the middle class, seniors and our future. and senate na jorty leader harry reid took to the floor this morning. >> republicans again sided with the wealthy...
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so then on top of that you got to fiscal cliff discussions in washington where the president wants to raise the income tax on top earners by another 3% or so in addition to this, these taxes you and i were just discussing. >> yeah. and that's a crucial point, because obama has repeatedly said he wants to go back to clinton era rates, but that ignores this new surtax at the beginning of the year. if they take the top rate from 35 to 39.6, it'll actually be 43.4 on investment income because we'll have that additional surtax on top of that. so dividends, for instance, which are 15 now could be going all the way to 43.4 which could have a very negative impact on the stock market. megyn: so right now if you make money off dividends, which a lot of folks do. you know, it's not just the super rich who get dividend income from their stock investments, right now you pay a 15% tax on that, and president obama wants to change that to you should get taxed on that income as though it's your actual, like, salary. and if that, if he gets his way on that, then that income goes up to whatever your sal
so then on top of that you got to fiscal cliff discussions in washington where the president wants to raise the income tax on top earners by another 3% or so in addition to this, these taxes you and i were just discussing. >> yeah. and that's a crucial point, because obama has repeatedly said he wants to go back to clinton era rates, but that ignores this new surtax at the beginning of the year. if they take the top rate from 35 to 39.6, it'll actually be 43.4 on investment income because...
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jenna: with the united states heading towards that fiscal cliff house republicans are now offering up a plan of their own to avert that combination of spending cuts and tax hikes. it's set to welcome us all on january 1st if they don't have an agreement. i'm jenna lee. jon: some kind of welcome that would be. i'm jon scott. within hours of seeing the proposal the white house slammed the g.o.p. offer saying quote their plan provides nothing new and provides no details on what deductions they'll limb nature, loopholes they will close or which medicare savings they would achieve. house speaker john boehner inc insists his offer is the best one on the table calling it a credible plan that deserves serious consideration by the white house. jenna: mike emanuel is with us. certainly a challenge to find this ideal plan. what is holding it up. >> reporter: the chairman of the senate budget committee wants a large come proceed hence i have deal in the range of $5 trillion and says a grand bargain can get done if everybody kaoels cool and doesn't overreact to every valley over the net. he this i
jenna: with the united states heading towards that fiscal cliff house republicans are now offering up a plan of their own to avert that combination of spending cuts and tax hikes. it's set to welcome us all on january 1st if they don't have an agreement. i'm jenna lee. jon: some kind of welcome that would be. i'm jon scott. within hours of seeing the proposal the white house slammed the g.o.p. offer saying quote their plan provides nothing new and provides no details on what deductions they'll...
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with that they proposed a bold counter offer for averting the fiscal cliff. the republican plan seeks $800 billion through tax reform and mandatory spending cuts. the white house said that the republican proposal falls short of what the president wants and cannot be taken seriously. >> we understand they don't agree with everything but we have not seen alternatives for them and they spoke about the need for revenue and that acknowledgment is welcome. but thus far republicann leaders are adament don't believe rates should go up on the top two percent of the american people. the american people disagree. rates have to rise and the republicans need to acknowledge that. >> that's the major difference between the two sides. tax hikes for the rich x. republicans want tax reform and eliminate deductions and closing the loop holes. the president said on twitter, there can't be tax cuts at the rich at the expense of domestic programs. >> the biggest problem with president obama is he is a small-pinded president in big times . he talk about 35-39 that doesn't get us ou
with that they proposed a bold counter offer for averting the fiscal cliff. the republican plan seeks $800 billion through tax reform and mandatory spending cuts. the white house said that the republican proposal falls short of what the president wants and cannot be taken seriously. >> we understand they don't agree with everything but we have not seen alternatives for them and they spoke about the need for revenue and that acknowledgment is welcome. but thus far republicann leaders are...
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it's called the fiscal cliff. so, you know, in my darker moments, i think we're going over it, and what if we went over it and the world didn't end? that would be kind of interesting. we'd take a big bite out of the deficit and everybody's taxes would go up, but i think the sun would come up tomorrow. >> huh. >> we may find out. >> okay, little orphan annie. >> so, gene, do you think right now that's you advise the president to do if the republicans don't come forward with more specifics? >> if i'm advising the president right now i'm advising him to wait a while. and that maybe when we get closer to the date, the calendar will concentrate the minds of many people in washington and a conversation will be more fruitful. >> all right. >> okay. eugene robinson, thank you. >>> still ahead, the former british prime minister tony blair joins us next. >>> and next, the "national journal's" ron fournier tells us his touching cover story next. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. americans are always ready to
it's called the fiscal cliff. so, you know, in my darker moments, i think we're going over it, and what if we went over it and the world didn't end? that would be kind of interesting. we'd take a big bite out of the deficit and everybody's taxes would go up, but i think the sun would come up tomorrow. >> huh. >> we may find out. >> okay, little orphan annie. >> so, gene, do you think right now that's you advise the president to do if the republicans don't come forward...
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a silver coin. >> it's going over the fiscal cliff. >> up, up, up. up, up, up, into the hand. >> yea! >> penn, in your book you talk about you cry every day. >> all the time. >> why? >> i don't know. i think -- there's a quote by bob dylan, it frightens me the awful truth of how sweet life can be. since i had my children -- my children are young, 6 and 7. i no longer can tell whether i am crying from sadness or crying from joy. they seem exactly the same. the speed at which life is speeding by us, you know. i sometimes worry. maybe the obsession with atheism comes from the fact that i worry that people spend so much time thinking about the afterlife and worry about the supernatural, they miss the glory of every day that is to be exalted. every moment looking at my children, you know, i just, i feel that, that rush of moving a billion miles an hour through life. >> is is it, enjoy it? >> yeah, all we have is love, family, and the world around us. and you know that's enough. anything else. >> and play in las vegas. >> exactly. >> penn jillette, thank y
a silver coin. >> it's going over the fiscal cliff. >> up, up, up. up, up, up, into the hand. >> yea! >> penn, in your book you talk about you cry every day. >> all the time. >> why? >> i don't know. i think -- there's a quote by bob dylan, it frightens me the awful truth of how sweet life can be. since i had my children -- my children are young, 6 and 7. i no longer can tell whether i am crying from sadness or crying from joy. they seem exactly the...
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. >>> let's go to washington, now, for the latest on the fiscal cliff. just 28 days until everyone's taxes are set to go up. house republicans have now sent the white house their own plan for getting america's finances under control. but both sides still far apart. abc's jake tapper is covering this from the white house. jake, the white house downplayed this new offer but will it be enough to jump-start negotiations? >> reporter: i don't think so, george. the white house advisers describe the proposal that republicans offered yesterday, as a step backward in terms of negotiations. what the outlying house republican states is $2.2 trillion in deficit reduction. that includes 1.2 trillion in spending cuts. $800 billion in new revenue. optimistic projections. and $200 billion in other measures, such as adjusting the consumer price index. but house republicans say if the president doesn't like this, it's incumbent upon him to offer a plan that can make it through the house and the senate. >> the white house says they want to see the republicans first say tha
. >>> let's go to washington, now, for the latest on the fiscal cliff. just 28 days until everyone's taxes are set to go up. house republicans have now sent the white house their own plan for getting america's finances under control. but both sides still far apart. abc's jake tapper is covering this from the white house. jake, the white house downplayed this new offer but will it be enough to jump-start negotiations? >> reporter: i don't think so, george. the white house advisers...